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New York senator seeks capacity regulations on boats

In the wake of a recent tragedy, the waters of enforcement for boaters who overcrowd their vessels are still murky.

After the high-profile case of three children who died when a 34-foot Silverton cruiser carrying 27 people capsized July 4 in Oyster Bay, another apparent overcrowding situation occurred, according to a Riverhead (N.Y.) Patch article.

A few days after the tragedy, five people packed a paddleboat meant for two on Wading River in Suffolk County, N.Y., and a wave overturned the boat. Riverhead police and other responders brought all who were thrown into Long Island Sound screaming for help — including a 7-year-old boy — to safety.

Despite wide public attention, officials say state laws in New York don't address the problem of overcrowding on recreational boats.

U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer is calling on the Coast Guard to set capacity limits for large recreational boats, according to a Newsday article.

Schumer, D-N.Y., also wants the Coast Guard to require that capacity and weight limits be posted on boats longer than 20 feet, according to the publication. The Coast Guard currently has capacity limits for boats less than 20 feet.

The parents of Victoria Gaines — the 7-year-old who was killed along with the Kandi Won owner's daughter, Harlie Treanor, 11, and Harlie's cousin David Aureliano, 12, in the July 4 accident — joined Schumer's call for the regulation. The rule also would require that, when posted, capacity limits appear visible to crewmembers and passengers.

The tragedy "never should have happened," Paul Gaines said at a press conference on Sunday, his voice cracking as his wife held a framed photo of their daughter.

Sally Drake, a spokeswoman for the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation, and Historic Preservation, told Riverhead Patch that all regulations about capacity on boats are federally determined.

No federal regulations exist regarding capacity on recreational boats sized similarly to the boats involved in the recent Long Island accidents, Drake told Riverhead Patch.

The Coast Guard can enforce safety equipment standards and cite boat owners who do not adhere to regulations.

Click here for the Riverhead Patch article and click here for the Newsday report.

Comments
10 Saturday, 28 July 2012 17:06
By bill
While I would potentially benefit from new regulations (as I would be able to provide services to determine the capacity) I do not think the senator has any sort of understanding of the realities.

The overwhelming majority of boats in use are *existing* boats. Fiberglass doesn't rot. Unless the regulations were to be made retroactive, they would have a vanishingly small effect on the total safety of the boating public.

Furthermore, there really isn't a good mechanism for administering such a law. The capacity and builder's plate requirements for small boats are *voluntary*. The USCG subcontracts private firms to check up on builders, but not on a production basis. There is no budget, nor personnel, in the USCG to handle the administration of a robust capacity regulation program for larger boats.

From a technical basis, the validity of any such plate depends on the specifics of a boat. Changes to the boat would have a marked effect. Repowering, redoing interiors, adding fishing towers, and of course the amount of gear, provisions and other equipment aboard affect the true capacity.

Finally, private owners are not required to be professional seafarers. The boating public does not and will not understand these nuances in a way that would allow them to assess these issues properly. What woulds an owner do if he added a tower? Or repowered from 230 HP to 400 HP? Would he have to apply for a new plate? How wold he know that? Would he be required to hire me to calculate the changes? How about operational equipment and provisions? How would that be captured?

As much as the senator wants to do good, I don't think it is realistic--unless we want to be like Europe...
9 Wednesday, 18 July 2012 20:54
By Rod
Capacity Labels are already posted on most powerboats under about 30', USCG Requires them on powerboats under 20'. Take a trip to the local lake or seacoast......not how many boats in those classes are overloaded despite the clear warning labels. That paddleboat is a great example. Remmeber a year or so ago, when a 24' ski-boat with 19 people aboard, plus 1 on a wakeboard (boat was rated for 18 persons) lost 2 persons overboard in a slow-speed turn. I seem to recall that at least 10 of the persons onboard were up in the bow seats (she was a bowrider), which most likey affected the handling of the boat. The capacity plate didn't prevent that tragedy.....commonsense should have prevented it from ever coming close to happening!

Adding a capacity Plate is not as simple as just printing the label and sticking in on the boat. There are a lot of expensive calculations and trials that need to be performed, and might need to involve the services of a qualified Yacht Designer/Naval Architect. Even then, unless it were made retroactive ($$$$$$) there are a lot of older boats (example, 1984 Silverton 34s?) out there being used. The boat in question appears to have had an aftermarket radar arch and fully enclosed bimini on the bridge, those would raise the center-of-gravity if only slightly....but would a manufacturer need to test every possible combination of aftermarket add-ons? What about if an owner built a hard-top over the flybridge of his new boat, added a heavy Radar antenna, and maybe put a small rigid-hull inflatable on the foredeck, or worse yet.....on the flybridge hardtop?? Would a builder beresponsible if the boat capsized while carrying the rated number of people on a wake-tossed trip?
I think many if not all Flybridge cruisers built recently have a clear warning sign about how many persons can safely be up on the bridge, yet.....how is that enforced?

Let commonsense rule! If a boat is spotted underway in an overloaded condition, USCG, State Officers, or Local Harbor Patrol should terminate that voyage! If tragedy happens before the voyage can be terminated, then charge the owner/operator with negligence. Don't punish boatbuilders for the stupidity of their customers!!
8 Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:49
By Capt. Philip Topps, AMS
Schumer! Figures. You REALLY want to get hurt? Get between Schumer and a TV Camera.
Hey, Chuckie Cheese, leave the issue of anything to do with yacht construction standards, scantlings (look it up, Cheesie) and such to the REAL experts. That would be, in order, The USCG, The National Marine Manufacturers' Association, (NMMA) The American Boat and Yacht Council, (ABYC) and keep the bottom feeder politicians and liars, er lawyers OUT of it. Everything government TOUCHES turns to S..T!
7 Tuesday, 17 July 2012 01:14
By Helm pilot
The event here is tragic, but the argument against further regulation is just as strong. The public needs to be sensible and recognize that laws do not prevent acts of stupidity or outright negligence. Penalizing product cost by requiring further regulation and testing is not the answer. Nor is crediting some politician who uses a tragedy to misplace the root cause of the problem and seizes the situation for personal gain. Where was Charles Schumer when other boaters all over this country were killed or otherwise hurt by accident or by ignorance? Right he was nowhere to be heard from. Come on people see that rush to action for what it is. As to the parents my heart aches for you all, but you are just as negligent as the Captain if you did not ask when you borded the boat is this safe? You cannot shirk your responsibility by saying someone else or some capacity label somewhere that you would not have read anyway would have prevented this. Mr. Schumer if you want to pass legislation requiring operator testing or training I for one will be with you and supportive just like we do with our Drivers licenses. But don't be stupid and think the car (or in this case the boat) will teach him to drive responsibly.
6 Monday, 16 July 2012 23:33
By Pro Marine
You can not regulate common sense....some have it, most do not.
5 Monday, 16 July 2012 22:25
By Big Bill
Steve hit the nail on the head "You can not put common sense into law". We have become a society where nobody is willing to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions. It is moronic to believe that that Silverton could carry 27 passengers safely, regardless of the mix of adults to children. It is moronic to believe 5 people could safely operate a 2 person paddle boat, that had a capacity plate. Since the morons of the world do not take heed of capacity plates, requiring them on all vessels would most likely not reduce the frequency of these incedents.
4 Monday, 16 July 2012 18:44
By SunnySideUp
Why would this be a big deal? We already put passenger and weight capacity limits on boats going overseas on the CE plate. The work is already done for most large boat builders. Just convert from metric to English and post in a conspicuous place.
3 Monday, 16 July 2012 17:57
By RickDieterich
While any accident is tragic, the last thing we need is more government regulation.... of anything.
2 Monday, 16 July 2012 17:15
By Jim Glus
This is not a bad thing. I too have seen larger cruisers way overloaded in my opion and have always thought is was a bad accident waiting to happen. As someone that has ran a vessels with what I thought was to many people on board ( but not my choice ), it can become a very confusing issue for a captain. Those of us who were in the industry in Ft. Lauderdale in the 90's can remember the Bayliner deck boat that got stuck under the barge under the 17th street bridge due to a rushing, rising tide and the loss of lives that resulted from that terrible accident and possibly due to over loading.
1 Monday, 16 July 2012 16:10
By steve popkie
You can not put common sence into law - really thats what and continues to be problems weather on the water or even the roads.
27 people on a 34ft. boat !!!! and regards to a capacity post.. that did not work on the 2person paddel boat .. maybe a sticker on the captain that could say "what was I thinking" or stupid---- what a shame

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